These are the results of the Seventeenth week of opening up my house flipping business for you guys to see how my wife and I are building back up to 30 deals a year. If you missed the first post explaining what I am doing, please visit This Post.
These are the things I did this week:
Got Chewed Out Again From A Letter
You really do need to develop somewhat of a thick skin if you are going into flipping houses or any sort of business. Mostly, I just need it for dealing with contractors and people I send letters to. It just blows my mind how many people get so angry about someone sending them a letter asking them if they would like to sell their house. Do like most normal people and just throw the thing away if you are not interested.
This particular caller did not appreciate that I had sent him a letter and wondered why I targeted him and how I got his information. I politely explained that I got his information from the county tax office. He asked why I had sent the letter to him, when he did not have a sign out front. I mistakenly told him that I must have noticed his house while driving the area and it looked like it needed some repairs. Of course, he did not like this very much. Oops. Oh well, we can’t make everybody happy can we?
Def Leppard House Being Staged and Put On The Market
While rehabbing the Def Leppard House, I decided to try to just have the carpet cleaned instead of replacing it with new. This is a 2500 square foot house and the carpet was filthy. My carpet cleaning guy told me he could get it clean and it would only cost $175. The risk versus reward was good enough to go ahead and try.
After the carpet was cleaned, I went by to check out the job. The carpet was much cleaner but still had a lot of small stains everywhere. This would have been acceptable for a rental but not for a house that will retail around $170,000 (which is above median in San Antonio). Ugh. At least I did not pay much. Had to make a call to my carpet guy and he agreed to remove the old carpet and install new for $1,900. Great price.
This all caused a bit of a delay but we are getting it all wrapped up. The cleaning crew will be cleaning on Friday and my wife went to purchase staging furniture and other items. We are just starting to stage the houses and my wife and our Realtor have done an incredible job picking out spectacular pieces for the houses. This will be the second one they’ve staged with furniture. The first was a house that we had already owned before beginning this house flipping follow along blog stuff.
Staging A House Flip – Lesson Learned
Historic House Wholesale Is Supposed To Close Tomorrow
The historic house that we are wholesaling is supposed to close on the sell side tomorrow. I will have a complete breakdown of the deal for you next week. Stay tuned…you won’t want to miss this.
Mailed Probate Letters
Mailed probate letters last Friday and only received a couple calls and these were just wanting me to remove them from the mailing list. One was none to polite about it. She had left a message and I suppose she was more comfortable leaving a message about how much she thought of me and my business. She then went on to tear apart my letter and to tell me how much of a grammatical disaster it was. Another happy customer. 🙂
Had Bandit Signs Put Out
Had 40 bandit signs put out over the weekend. Don’t know if they’ve stayed up as I haven’t received very many calls. It’s already time for me to order more.
Still Working Hidden Iron Closing
Not much to say about this. We have things ironed out and are just waiting to close.
Frustration House Set To Close Next Week
The seller actually called Friday evening while we were having dinner. The phone went to voicemail because I do not answer the phone at the dinner table, but that didn’t stop me from worrying about what the message was going to be. My immediate thought was that he was going to tell me the deal was off. As soon as we were finished with dinner, I checked my messages. Shocker. He actually had called to apologize about how he acted the other day when he told me he wanted more money, after we had already signed the contract. I guess my handling of it worked and I was successful in nipping that in the bud.
Considering a Resources Page For The Blog
I’ve been considering adding a resources page for this site that will include books that I feel are great for any body interested in flipping houses. Will be working on this over the coming weeks…if I have time.
Marketing
Total Motivated Seller Leads This Week: 22 🙂
Lead Source | Leads This Week | Notes |
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Bandit Signs | 1 | 40 bandit signs put out over the weekend. |
Yellow Pages | 5 | For a picture of my ad, visit the ‘The First Week’ post. |
Buying Website | 15 | For a link to my site, visit the ‘The First Week’ post. |
Drive For Dollars | 1 | Mailed about 50 out last week. |
MLS | 0 | Did not look at any listed properties this week. |
Wholesale Deals | ? | There were several that were not worth mentioning. |
Referral | 0 | Nothing |
Probates | 0 | 100 mailed out. |
Total Leads To Date [243]
This is the total number of leads for each source since I started posting about the leads (since late March 2011).
Lead Source | Total Leads To Date |
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Buying Website: | 126 |
Bandit Signs: | 45 |
Yellow Pages Ad: | 30 |
Driving For Dollars: | 16 |
REO Realtors: | 6 |
Absentee Owners: | 5 |
Wholesalers: | 4 |
Realtors: | 3 |
Referrals: | 3 |
MLS Search: | 2 |
Probate Letters: | 2 |
For Sale By Owner: | 1 |
Leads Analyzed
Homeowner wants to sell a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 900 sf house in a not-so-good neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $60,000 |
Amount Owed: | $45,000 |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $65,000 |
Max Offer: | $40,000 – repairs |
Seller says they completely remodeled the house but want to move. He went on to inform me that the neighbors all got together and protested the $#%@ out of the taxes. Too funny. Looking at the county tax appraisal district website however doesn’t show much in the way of a decrease over the last 5 years. There is one but not more than 3-5k. In our last primary residence, a historic house, the city tried to up the taxes almost 300% in one year. The house did go from looking like the paper street house on Fight Club to a like-new condition. I’m glad those days of fighting so hard to keep the tax value down are over.
Back to this one. He owes a little too much for my liking and will pass this lead on as a bird dog.
Pastor wants to sell a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, ??? sf house in a bad neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $Make Offer |
Amount Owed: | $0 |
Repairs: | $a lot (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $??? |
Max Offer: | $probably in the teens or below |
Pastor for a church wants to sell the house behind the church that they own. The house is small and boarded up, in a bad neighborhood. He did not know the exact address so I had to virtually walk through google maps around the corner from the church address to see it. This neighborhood is not my cup of tea so I passed it on to someone who might appreciate it.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 1 bath, 900 sf house in a not-so-good neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $Make Offer |
Amount Owed: | $0 |
Repairs: | $cosmetic (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $60,000 |
Max Offer: | $30,000 – repairs |
Seller has medical problems and is getting rid of some of his rentals. The house was rented section 8 and they are moving out. I asked why the tenants were moving out and he mentioned that they had said they would “stay there forever” but that they ran into family problems with a family member that lives near there. This house will probably fetch more from a landlord so I am passing this one on. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1300 sf house in a decent neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $89,000 |
Amount Owed: | $89,000 |
Repairs: | $none (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $100,000 |
Max Offer: | $65k – repairs |
Seller is moving in a couple months to another house she has bought and does not want to wait 6 months for this house to sell through a Realtor. Too much is owed for my liking but this might be a sub2 deal for someone.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 1.5 bath, 1200 sf house in a neighborhood outside of the city.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $Make Offer |
Amount Owed: | Nothing |
Repairs: | $everything (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $50,000 |
Max Offer: | $20,000 – repairs |
Caller’s mom’s house and it has been deteriorating since the father passed away years ago. She says it needs a lot of work. This house is probably 45 minutes away from where I live and the houses are very slow to sell there. This would be a good owner finance (sell side) for someone. I will try to find that someone because I am not personally interested.
She wanted to know at least a ball park figure to have something to go on so that they can make a decision whether to sell or not. I told them most likely low teens but would need to verify repairs needed.
Homeowner wants to sell a 4 bedroom, 1 bath, 1500 sf house in a really bad neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $15,000 |
Amount Owed: | $1,500 taxes |
Repairs: | $quite a bit (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $??? |
Max Offer: | $cheap |
House needs too many repairs and they want to get rid of it. This area is not for me but I passed it on to someone that buys in the area being that their asking price was reasonable and negotiable. Should be able to get bird dog fee for this one.
Homeowner wants to sell a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 900 sf house in a decent neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $52,000 |
Amount Owed: | $43,000 |
Repairs: | $some (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $80,000 |
Max Offer: | $Can’t Offer |
She called from a letter we sent and mentioned that another investor had made an offer and she wanted to get another offer. I went through all of my typical questions and talked about everything the house had. Then, I asked about the other investor’s offer. She promptly told me what his offer was and I was immediately thinking that it was a good, high offer and I likely could not beat it. I asked if he was wanting to sign a contract to which she replied that she did sign something. She then read the top of the “thing” she signed and it was a standard contract. She didn’t even know she was under contract to sell the house. Now, I don’t know if the investor is to blame for not explaining things clearly or if she was just not all there. Either way, I had to inform her that she already had the house sold and it was just a matter of it closing. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 1 bath, 900 sf house in a so-so neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $33,000 |
Amount Owed: | $0 |
Repairs: | $good amount (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $60,000 |
Max Offer: | $35,000 – repairs |
The seller has a house that has been vacant for a while. I was asking why he wanted to sell and he just mentioned that he doesn’t need it and doesn’t want the extra headache. He is a real estate broker and it is strange to me that he is trying to sell to an investor. I’m not interested in this area but I know someone that is, so I sent the lead to him. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a duplex with 1/1 and 1/1 and two efficiencies in a decent neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $Make Offer |
Amount Owed: | $53,000 |
Repairs: | $exterior only (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $??? |
Max Offer: | $??? |
Seller called with the rental property. All units are occupied but share utilities. I’m not interested in rentals and she owes more than I would consider for such a property anyway. I’m more interestd in flipping houses. Passed on to someone that might be interested. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath, 2800 sf house in a decent neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $163,000 |
Amount Owed: | $163,000 taxes |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $125,000 |
Max Offer: | $80,000 – repairs |
Seller needs to sell this house because he is behind on payments, by a year. This house is from a previous marriage and he has since moved on. This is an area that has been hit hard with price drops caused by competition with foreclosures. This would be a perfect candidate for a short sale. If you work short sales in San Antonio, please contact me. danny at flipping junkie.
Homeowner wants to sell a 4 bedroom, 3.5 bath, 3000 sf house in a good neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $225,000 |
Amount Owed: | $195,000 taxes |
Repairs: | $some (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $220,000 |
Max Offer: | $143,000 |
Seller wants to sell in a good area, but houses are just not selling there. My ARV is conservative and I would not want to pay more than MAO on this one. The house would likely sit for a long time unless I reduced it below my ARV to help move it. Not going to mess with it because of how much is owed. May be another short sale candidate. I thought possibly sub2, but the seller is not interested in that at the moment. He said he’d call if he couldn’t do anything with it.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 1.5 bath, 1350 sf house in a bad neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $74,000 |
Amount Owed: | $64,000 taxes |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $60,000 |
Max Offer: | $35,000 – repairs |
This house is in a rough area and they owe more than what I could possibly buy, or even sell it for. Sometimes people give strange reasons for selling when, in reality, I think they just want to get out of a bad area. Can’t blame them. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1500 sf manufactured home.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $41,000 |
Amount Owed: | $41,000 |
Repairs: | $cosmetic (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $??? |
Max Offer: | $??? |
I do not buy manufactured homes for house flipping, unless I can get them dirt cheap. They also need to be on their own land. This one is not. If you might be interested in this let me know.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 1.5 bath, 900 sf house in a not-so-good neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $45,000 |
Amount Owed: | $0 |
Repairs: | $says lots (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $50,000 |
Max Offer: | $25,000 minus repairs |
They want to sell their parents’ house. It was very difficult to find any comps in this area and just ended up being a “gut feel” valuation. This is really a rental or owner finance type property so I am passing the lead on. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 4 bedroom, 2 bath, 1464 sf house in a good neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $135,000 (least will take $125,000) |
Amount Owed: | $100,000 |
Repairs: | $unknown (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $135,000 |
Max Offer: | $88,000 minus repairs |
Not sure why they are selling the house because they never did return my call. They owe too much anyway. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 900 sf house in a bad neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $55,000 |
Amount Owed: | $0 |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $50,000 |
Max Offer: | $25,000 minus repairs |
This call was interesting. The seller had an English accent and she wanted to describe every single thing about the house. I started getting anxious as I knew she just wasn’t that motivated as she went on and on about how the house was in a historic district. At this point, I was figuring this was a $300k+ house (which is a lot for San Antonio). After her lengthy description we got down to details. It turns out this house is in the middle of the worst area of San Antonio. It really shocked me.
This one ended with me informing her that we typically buy in the teens in the area, to which she was none to happy. Sorry. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1500 sf house outside of town.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $130,000 |
Amount Owed: | $25,000 |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $95,000 |
Max Offer: | $62,000 minus repairs |
This is a classic example of a tire-kicker. He even mentioned already having a Realtor lined up but just wanted to see how much I would pay. I did not spend much time on this and just ended up telling him that I am not interested. The values in the area have dropped considerably and I don’t want any part of it. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 5 bedroom, 2 bath, 2000 sf house in a bad neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $30,000 |
Amount Owed: | $11,000 |
Repairs: | $a lot (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $65,000 |
Max Offer: | $Not For Me |
Seller inherited the house. Her mother wanted them to sell the house after she passed. This area is not one that I buy in, but I passed the lead on as they were already asking a somewhat reasonable price.
Update: Just found out from the investor I sent this lead to that there was a murder there very recently. He says that the husband killed his wife in the shed in the back of the property. Sad. He got it under contract for a good price (of course) and says it will take a while to close because of probate issues.
Always interesting things happening in this business…
Homeowner wants to sell a 2 bedroom, 1 bath, 900 sf house in a so-so neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $66,000 |
Amount Owed: | $61,000 |
Repairs: | $cosmetic (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $69,000 |
Max Offer: | $44,000 – repairs |
Seller just said that they want to sell and that was it. Too much is owed. Next.
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 1 bath, 1100 sf house in a decent neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $Make Offer |
Amount Owed: | $14,000 |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $69,000 |
Max Offer: | $45,000 minus repairs |
Seller was recently remarried and is moving to Kentucky. She needs to sell this house that she still owns with her ex. She seemed pretty motivated and ready to move on with her new life. The area is a decent one, but I had some trouble selling a house there last year and would just rather pass on this one. I’m sure a deal could be made and passed it on to a friend. Should make a reasonable birddog fee with this one.
This could have been a decent wholesale deal, but I was tied up this morning and was not able to make it to see the house and I knew the seller was calling other people so I sent someone right away to try and at least make something on it.
Homeowner wants to sell a 2 bedroom, 2 bath, 1100 sf house on a busy street.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | $125,000 |
Amount Owed: | $0 |
Repairs: | $unknown (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $50,000 |
Max Offer: | $25,000 minus repairs |
Seller heard an ad from a home buyer on the radio and ended up seeing my ad in the yellow pages. I don’t have an ad on the radio. Somebody else’s ad directed this lead to me. 🙂 Not a good lead, but a lead none-the-less. This house is on really busy street and is considered commercial. He’s had it listed for a long time and is set on his price. Nobody else wanted it at that price, why would I?
Homeowner wants to sell a 3 bedroom, 2 bath, 1400 sf house in a good neighborhood.
Here are the numbers:
Asking Price: | Make Offer |
Amount Owed: | Would Not Tell |
Repairs: | $minor (unconfirmed) |
After Repaired Value: | $100,000 |
Max Offer: | $65,000 minus repairs |
Seller finally called after receiving three letters from me. She mentioned they were considering selling and wanted to know how much I would offer, before they listed with a Realtor. I made them a ballpark estimate in the 60’s. No go, so far.
I have always gone back and forth on whether to keep sending a series letters and postcards after the first couple. It seems the motivated ones call mostly from the first letter. This time I am going to continue to send them as I feel that maybe my message will be “burned” into their mind a little more and there is more of a chance they will keep at least one of the letters.
Summary
Leads picked up again big time this week. Monday was spent frantically handling most of these leads as they all seemed to come in that morning. It was crazy. The rest of the week was a little more relaxed. Got to fly a Piper Cub Monday afternoon, which was awesome. I birddogged a lot of leads this week and am sure to make some money from those. Nothing seemed good enough for me to want to take down myself. Something should come along soon. Bandits went out and hopefully stayed up. Letters went out and I’ve since printed some more for stuffing and mailing. Called follow ups. It was a good week.
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Comments (25)
Danny,
You remind me every week that this business requires ACTION. I don’t use the word “work” because if I wanted to work, I’d go get a JOB. We’ve got to get through the tire-kickers to hit the deals, sometimes.
Keep up the good work and ACTION.
Jaime,
It really is just all a numbers game. People will get deals if they work on getting in touch with motivated sellers. Get the leads and deals will come.
I like that you avoided using “work” and I feel the same way. People would be a lot happier if only they did the things that they really want to do.
Thanks for the compliments and for following along.
Hi Danny,
I just got a great call last week.
Women called my 800 message line from one of my postcards. She let me know she wasn’t interested in selling, and if she was, she certainly wouldn’t need my help…. she then proceeded to tell me to “Go F@$k Myself” and to “F@$k Off” several times over and over!!!!
The best part was she then took the time to mail my postcard back to me and wrote “F@$k You” all over it…… what a waste of a stamp!!! 🙂
She was definitely the most ticked off seller I’ve heard from
Matt,
Great story. It’s amazing how on the edge some people must be to where something like a post card will push the right buttons and set them off. This is exactly why I use my PO box for the return address. Never know when you reach the wrong nut.
Danny,
Still enjoying your blog. Any updated info on “the death house”?
Burke,
Thanks for reminding me. I should have mentioned that, but with all these leads, things get left out. Sometimes they all sort of blur together.
I did try to call them several times over the week and they never called me back. At this point, I’m sure the bank has taken it. I could check the deed records to find out for sure. But, even that could be a waste of time if they won’t call me back.
Update: Just checked the deed records, and according to what is filed, they still own it. Just left them another message.
Hey Danny,
Sounds like you had a extremely active week which is always a good thing =). I was wondering what information do you go by to determine if a neighborhood is good, bad, so-so etc?
Chris,
Yes, it was a busy week. Especially Monday, which is busier due to the fact that I did not really do anything work related over the weekend and had to catch up on the leads.
For the neighborhoods scale, it is just something that I figure based on knowledge of the area. As you drive for dollars throughout your area, you will eventually find the worst parts of town (which you should already know) and then build your own sort of scale. As you birddog and wholesale you find out where most investors typically want to buy.
For me, bad is a war zone (drug deals going down in broad daylight, prostitutes walking on corners, crack heads jumping out in front of your car – this has happened to us).
Not-so-good is usually on the edge of the war zone but is a little harder to find the sorts of people just mentioned.
The so-so neighborhood is even better as you should not see those people at all. There may be some graffitti and is mostly just a working class neighborhood.
The decent neighborhood is the one that borders a good area and where people tend to maintain their yards.
The good area is usually hovering around median home value and covers much of what side of town in your area is considered good by the general population, where most people want to live.
The great neighborhoods are the ones that are higher end and exclusive.
Like I said, this is just a rough scale that I use and just assign based on my feeling about an area.
Danny, This blog is great. Thick skin seems required. I’ll have to grow some (skin that is).
Look forward to this blog every week. Thanks
Thanks, Burt.
Send out some letters to probates and you will get that thick skin soon enough.
“I must have noticed that your house needed a little work.” I laughed out loud that was so funny! I have said that before myself from my “driving for dollars” letters. I think I said, “your house looked like a dump…” :p
I love your blog and I’m referring newbies to it, so that can get an idea of what’s involved with this business.
Great, great post!
Thanks, Jay. I appreciate the referrals.
Danny, resources page would be awesome! As a newbie I’m always looking for good material to read but there is so much junk around there that it’s hard to identify a good read.
Eli,
I’ve read some so-so books in the past. Just going to include things that I think are really helpful and worth reading. Hopefully I can get it done sooner than later.
Hi Danny,
I once had a woman call me from one of my letters stating that she was going to turn my letter over to her attorney and pursue legal action. I politely told her that last time I checked mailing a letter was not against the law.
Also, I made the mistake once of using my home address as the return address on a mailing. Always, use a PO Box! I had to learn the hard way.
Daniel,
Too funny! I’m always tempted to say something funny and sometimes it’s hard to hold back.
You can even use the actual physical address of the Post Office where your PO Box is, so that it looks a little less like junk mail.
This is EXCELLENT Mr. Johnson!! I have just finished reading from Week 1 and I must say thanks for all the detailed and hard work!
Clifford,
Thanks! Glad to hear that it is interesting enough to read from start to finish. That must have taken you a while.
I have had a few irate calls due to letters I sent. Could not help but laugh at yours. One said she was calling the Better Business Bureau, I gave her the phone number, made her even more mad. Another threatened a lawsuit, told her she could use my lawyer if she wanted. I don’t mean to be sarcastic or condecending and make it a point to be polite and courteous but sometimes I just can’t help it.
Lucky,
Thanks for the laugh. I agree in that sometimes it can be hard to remain polite and courteous when someone is treating you with so much disrespect. I know we sent them the letter, but that does not warrant the attacks that we sometimes get. I’ll have to provide phone numbers like you did, that was hilarious. I’m sure they didn’t expect that.
When I got started investing in real estate full time a few years ago, one of my biggest fears (and still is) is angry people calling.
I’m a nice guy. What did I do? I’m mean, I’m just trying to help!
I’ve had a few of my own encounters – mostly via voicemail, which also allowed me to post them on my blog haha!
But I fear that small things like this cause a large number of people to stop chasing their goals when investing in real estate. Don’t let it stop you, and I won’t either!
Well, I have a new goal – to get a letter back in the mail with hate messages on it – Matt K, that is the funniest thing that I’ve heard all week!
Thanks for the post Danny.
Good stuff, Brooks. I just had a guy call and hang up on me, after accusing me of lying to him. It appears I told him I might be able to come up to $90-95k but would need to recheck my numbers to see if I could. He took that to mean that I had offered $95k. When I told him today that I can only pay $85 as I had originally offered, he got very upset and decided he did not want to work with someone so dishonest.
This all gets back into the fact that we will never make everybody happy and should not try to. Do what we feel is right, be honest and don’t worry about what other people think about it.
Let’s buy some houses!
Amen to that!
3. Section 8 Tenant Moving Out
“This house will probably fetch more from a landlord so I am passing this one on.”
How do you conclude this? What criteria determine if a house will work better as a rental or a flip?
I concluded that based on the fact that there are no recent sold comps in the area. Some areas are just mainly rental areas with a much lower percentage of owner occupants. In these areas, it is mostly landlords that are buying.