Last week I was out flying when I came across a situation that made me a little nervous. I was headed to a towered airport to practice my radio calls, being that I usually only fly out of non-towered airfields. On the way there I was in touch with air traffic control from San Antonio International and they were providing me with flight following (basically watching out for me and giving me traffic notices as their workload permits). As their workload permits are what I was thinking about when I noticed that I was flying perpendicular to the departure end of an airport that a lot of military transport planes fly out of. We’re talking about huge planes. Usually the C5 Galaxy. This thing is a monster!
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I Think We Might Be On A Collision Course
As I was approaching the area south of the field I looked down to see if one of those beasts was taking off. Sure enough. It was hard to miss. Right as I looked it had begun rolling. My eye followed the path that it was about to take and considered the altitude I was at.
Surely ATC was aware of that guy taking off and me being in the way. The radio was silent though. We might be on a collision course here. Why hasn’t the traffic controller said anything? There are only a few calls being made by other pilots, so I would figure that his “workload” was permitting.
Those planes are big, but they also are fast. I was about to go ahead and mention my concern to the controller when I heard him make a call to the C5 warning him of my location. He then told me that the C5 would turn before he reached me and that I was higher than the C5 was going to be before he turned. I’m sure I climbed slightly and turned slightly just to add a little more room. Sure enough, I passed clear of him and was higher than he got before he turned. The picture for this post is from the actual moment that I am talking about. That is the C5 circled that made me a little nervous.
Where I Am Going With This
The reason I bring this up is because I trust ATC but at the same time I am going to do my best to verify that what I am told is accurate. I’m also going to not rely on them to warn me of any potential danger. If they fail to or are too busy, it’s my butt that is in big trouble. This is exactly how you need to approach other deals that other investors offer you. Trust but verify.
Even if you are an experienced investor, it may seem basic, but please hear me out.
My email inbox usually has several deals from wholesalers each week. I’m not on a lot of wholesalers lists because I tend to want to buy quite a bit cheaper than other investors that they have found. Not going to fault them for that, as that is exactly what I do. I like to buy at the wholesale price and recommend others do the same.
A lot of the deals that come in are obviously being sent to a lot of people, but what I am talking about also pertains to deals that are sent to you from investors you know and trust as well. Always, always verify the numbers they give you. Those after repair values are almost always inflated (or you could call them overly optimistic if you like). If you don’t have a way of finding out what the value is, you need to find someone that you can trust that will be independent from the transaction.
Even if they give you a list of comps, you need to verify that those comps are really comparable and, equally important, are not expired (usually more than 6 months old – or sometimes 1-3 months in rapidly changing markets). I’ve seen comps used that were nothing like the subject property. I guess the only thing similar was that they both had 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.
Beware the square footage prices as well. These are usually given when the subject property is quite a bit larger than the comps. If houses are selling for $100/square foot and the subject property is 3000sf, you might be told the value is $300,000. But what if all of the comps were under 1500sf. They usually don’t scale like that. Neighborhoods usually “top out” at a certain value and so this one might not be able to sell for more than $200k.
Ok. Here’s The Good Part
In the past I would not waste my time with new investors getting started as wholesalers. I’d always thought that they were just calling investors to feel like they were doing something, when they should have been looking for deals. My thinking on this has changed and I am glad that it has.
This is how I now work with newer wholesalers. I offer to give them something. Something that is truly needed when you are starting out. This blog. No, just kidding. What I give them is I offer to help them analyze leads. When they come across what appears to be a deal (it’s important to not be analyzing leads that are nowhere near a deal – so some ground rules do need to be set), I will help them by analyzing the deal and tell them what I would pay for it. They can then tack on their wholesale fee and make an offer. That way they know they have a buyer lined up and ready to go. It takes out the risk for them and shows them the ropes. They will continue to send you deals out of reciprocity. Not forever, but hey, even one deal is usually worth the time and effort.
As Jim Rohn said, “you become successful by helping others become successful” (or something like that).
Working With Experienced Wholesalers
This is akin to working with REO Agents. Your best bet to get the deals is to pay more than anyone else. Seriously. I don’t do it, but that is the best way.
The second best way is to build a great relationship with them. Talk to them often and take them to lunch…often. Don’t just call them up and take them to lunch once and think that is going to make them beg to you to buy their houses. It’s like that one time that I went to the gym and I’ve been buff ever since. It just doesn’t work that way. A true relationship needs to be built and that takes time. Be patient and really spend the time necessary to have them want to throw you a bone here and there.
This works on me. My “go to” guys (people that I sell good leads to) often take me to lunch and though I might be able to find other people to pay more for some of the deals, I don’t usually bother.
So keep that in mind for another possible marketing method to find more deals. You might discover a source that continually sends you good deals. It’s nice when other people are doing the marketing for you.
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Excellent article….good example!
Great post Danny. When you buy properties to flip them are you using private money?
Yes, I do.
Another great post, thank you, you are my inspiration! As a new wanna-be wholesaler, I appreciate you and your desire to help analyze deals. This is something that makes me nervous, and has held me back somewhat. I am currently looking for someone in my town that would help me in this way. A concern however is having them go around me directly to the seller. This already happened to me once before. Suggestions?
Hello, Eric. Glad to hear from you and thank you for the compliments.
It’s unfortunate that someone was willing to scam you for the short term gain instead of work with you for a lot of deals over the long term.
My advice would be to try and spend more time with other investors and find out who would be willing to help. Figure out which one seems most legit and honest. Like everything worth doing, it is going to take some work.
If you don’t know them that well, you could just tell them the street it is on and the particulars (number of beds, baths etc.) and have them determine a value. You could the take a contractor with you to the house to estimate repairs.
I hope these ideas help or at least to help you come up with another angle. Just don’t give up on it.
I really enjoyed this post Danny. You continue to deliver excellent value on this blog. I know I would consider myself an intermediate wholesaler.
I would also like to share a story that the other readers might learn from (a lesson in ensuring accurate info). Sometime last month I had a lady visit my website and submit an online form indicating that she had a property to sell. I called her and collected some info. Turned out that her uncle passed away and left behind a house over which she had power of attorney (POA). She needed to money to take care of a relative in a nursing home. I do have a cash buyer that I work closely with; he liked the property and agreed to come with me to visit the property.
Long story short: the lady gave me one type of story over the phone and then a whole other story in person. It turned out that she already had the house under contract for $56K and in escrow at Independence Title (after all, doesn’t the wholesaler typically put the property under contract instead of the seller?) needing ~$15K in repairs. According to my cash buyer’s due diligence (and confirming with at least one other realtor), the property is valued more at $56K and told me to offer her $40K to account for repairs and my finder’s fee.
This lady tried to manipulate the data from the comps to trick me and my cash buyer to buying near the ARV. She tried to sound real savvy saying that she’s made money with real estate in the past and that after buying at $56K and sinking around ~$13K into the property, we could make a good $20K profit. She also told us that a similar house down the street sold for $80K. However, my cash buyer told me that she’s just another wholesaler looking to flip the contract for a big payday. Since this lady refused to work with our offer of $40K, we did not do business with her. It’s a shame that she couldn’t close on the property and lose her earnest money deposit, but then again I shouldn’t have to pay for her mistake and poor planning.
Moral of the story: ALWAYS verify and do your due diligence no matter how persuasive or intelligent the property seller sounds. If the seller refuses to reason or come to terms, then wait it out. If they’re a truly motivated seller, they will accept your offer.
Hey, Andrew. Guess we are in the same town.
Great story. I’m glad you shared it. This happens a lot. Any time I hear a seller (even when not a wholesaler) start listing all of the “great” things the house has or how much “all of the other houses in the neighborhood sold for”, I automatically tune it out. It really means nothing to me. What matters most is what the real numbers from true comparables are.
Hey Danny, I am actually a wholesaler here in San Antonio. The property I mentioned above was a 2 bedroom 1 bathroom in the 78233 area. Basically the lady used comps from other 3/2s in the area since the property had the ability to be turned into a 3/2 after rehab (the den could have been converted into a bedroom, and the laundry room had the connections to be converted into a bathroom). Other 3/2s in the area were going for $80K while other 2/1s were going for around $56K.
I’m still getting over how when I met this lady in person, she mentioned that she already had the property under contract and took it to Independence Title. At first she wouldn’t budge on her $56K asking price. Then about 3 days before the scheduled closing date she calls me and says that she spoke to the owner and said she could do $43K. It’s a shame this lady wasn’t smart enough to have a solid buyer lined up before scheduling the closing date.
My cash buyer and I just let her go. After all, her poor planning isn’t our fault. It wasn’t our fault that she didn’t have things lined up correctly and that she has to lose her earnest money.
With all this in mind, it’s definitely important to make sure that we all are going off real data from true comparables.
Sounds like she was looking for the greater fool. Good thing that you proved you were not that person. 🙂
I kinda like that philosophy – “trust but verify”. That way you can establish a trusting relationship without getting burned in the end. Cheers.
I too like that philosophy. Peace.
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Ha! I had to laugh at your comment that everyone comes off as a robot. Videos can be tricky to get right. I probably look like a robot as well on there.
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